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Racermt 07-06-2011 07:35 PM

Turbo problem
 
I have a 93 cummins with a stock turbo cold air intake 4inch exhaust and the fuel screw half a turn from runaway. My problem is that when i'm accelerating in fifth gear from like 40mph to 55 mph or so the turbo will sort of surge and i watch my boost gauge jump from about 14psi to 21psi. Any suggestions on a better turbo or any solutions?:humm: Any help is much appreciated. :tu:

tower_ofpower 07-07-2011 06:42 PM

Turbo problem
 
Sticky wastegate, and or actuator? Could be defueling bc of low fuel pressure, or gov spring.


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white93 07-07-2011 10:19 PM

Its turbo surge. The turbo is trying to force more air into the engine than it needs. The noise you hear is the air going backwards through the cold side. A 60mm upgrade will cure that or a bigger turbo.

tower_ofpower 07-08-2011 12:36 AM

Turbo problem
 

Originally Posted by white93 (Post 771239)
Its turbo surge. The turbo is trying to force more air into the engine than it needs. The noise you hear is the air going backwards through the cold side. A 60mm upgrade will cure that or a bigger turbo.

Turbo surge would be correct if he were getting off the throttle suddenly when this happened and boost spiked, if it's constant throttle something else is going on.


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KD93 07-08-2011 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by tower_ofpower (Post 771145)
Sticky wastegate, and or actuator? Could be defueling bc of low fuel pressure, or gov spring.


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Definitely not a sticky wastegate.... it's a stock turbo.

There are a lot of 'better' turbo's out there. For you, a smaller turbine housing would be better. 12cm2/14cm2 would be good. S300's and HE351CW's are popular these days, but even an HX35 off of a 2nd gen will be an improvement. A turbo works off of heat, produced by burning fuel. Hot gasses like to expand, which creates flow across the turbine blades. I'd say what's happening is your engine is lugging a little bit when you roll on the throttle, and it's generating a lot of heat, thus spinning the turbine faster, and creating more boosted air than your engine needs at that rpm range. Try doing it in 4th and see what happens with the turbo. You might also try moving your star wheel back up a bit... or is it down... I can't remember. :argh:

Racermt 07-09-2011 02:51 PM

Ok thanks guys. I was thinking of buying the 60mm upgrade too, should I still get that small of a housing?:humm:

RSWORDS 07-09-2011 03:13 PM

By the time yuo buy all that you could almost have a nice aftermarket turbo that will be 100x better then you built up stocker.

Hell for teh same money you can find a nice used turbo.

KD93 07-09-2011 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by RSWORDS (Post 771693)
By the time yuo buy all that you could almost have a nice aftermarket turbo that will be 100x better then you built up stocker.

Hell for teh same money you can find a nice used turbo.

x2. See thread above^^^. You should be able to get a good HX35 for $150 - $200. HE351's are running around $250 - $350 these days, and S300's somewhere around the $300 mark. The HX is a bolt on turbo, and although it has a smaller exhaust housing the compressor wheel is the same size as your stock one so an upgrade would be advisable, (unless it's already been done.) The other two are not direct bolt on's but have both smaller turbine housing for faster spool up and bigger compressor wheels for more air and cooler running temps.
There are other turbo's available for sure. But these ones have proven results and are relatively cheap and easy to find.

1arock 07-09-2011 07:02 PM

"The HX is a bolt on turbo"
No it's not it is 1.25 inches longer(due to the waste gate housing) and the downpipe could interfere with the air box. Right now a guy on comp d has a compressor upgrade and exhaust housing for cheaphttp://competitiondiesel.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115409:rocking:Rocky DANG IT THAT LINK DIDN'T WORK BUTS IT'S THERE HE JUST LISTED IT

cougar 07-10-2011 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by Racermt (Post 770740)
I have a 93 cummins with a stock turbo cold air intake 4inch exhaust and the fuel screw half a turn from runaway. My problem is that when i'm accelerating in fifth gear from like 40mph to 55 mph or so the turbo will sort of surge and i watch my boost gauge jump from about 14psi to 21psi. Any suggestions on a better turbo or any solutions?:humm: Any help is much appreciated. :tu:

Does it do it if your in 4th and do the same thing?
What axle gears do you have?
I think your lugging it and it's induced turbo lag cause mine will do the same thing.

cumminsblazer 07-10-2011 06:17 PM

Didn't 93 come with the hx35 cause I know mine did

Racermt 07-10-2011 07:10 PM

Yeah it doesn't do it in fourth unless i lug it. As far as I know it has 3.55 gears. No I think it's a h1c.

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How hard is it to put a turbo made for a second gen truck onto a first gen? Like a super b or an aurora 3000? I kinda only want to spend money on a turbo once and I'm gonna start pulling my truck and I tow with it so I don't really know what a should buy turbo wise :humm:

cougar 07-11-2011 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by cumminsblazer (Post 772129)
Didn't 93 come with the hx35 cause I know mine did

No, they started in 94. Either yours was swapped or (and I'm not certain of this) may have been an option.

Originally Posted by Racermt (Post 772151)
Yeah it doesn't do it in fourth unless i lug it. As far as I know it has 3.55 gears. No I think it's a h1c.

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How hard is it to put a turbo made for a second gen truck onto a first gen? Like a super b or an aurora 3000? I kinda only want to spend money on a turbo once and I'm gonna start pulling my truck and I tow with it so I don't really know what a should buy turbo wise :humm:

There's your answer, don't lug it. I know mine isn't happy in 5th until at least 50mph.
An HX35 is a bolt on with only moving your exhaust back. Any newer Dodge or aftermarket turbo will require some fitting.

KD93 07-11-2011 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by 1arock (Post 771779)
"The HX is a bolt on turbo"
No it's not it is 1.25 inches longer(due to the waste gate housing) and the downpipe could interfere with the air box. Right now a guy on comp d has a compressor upgrade and exhaust housing for cheaphttp://competitiondiesel.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115409:rocking:Rocky DANG IT THAT LINK DIDN'T WORK BUTS IT'S THERE HE JUST LISTED IT

But you don't have to mess with the manifold, do you. :nope: So it does bolt right on up. :tu: I didn't say you wouldn't have to do anything else. The DP won't interfere with anything, unless other modifications have been made. There's plenty of room there for it to fit.

white93 07-11-2011 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by Racermt (Post 772151)
Yeah it doesn't do it in fourth unless i lug it. As far as I know it has 3.55 gears. No I think it's a h1c.

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How hard is it to put a turbo made for a second gen truck onto a first gen? Like a super b or an aurora 3000? I kinda only want to spend money on a turbo once and I'm gonna start pulling my truck and I tow with it so I don't really know what a should buy turbo wise :humm:

Its a direct bolt on as long as its a t-3 foot. The only major thing you need is an HX-40 downpipe for either a 1st or 2nd gen truck. Here's a really good write up. https://www.dieselbombers.com/5-9l-r...its-turbo.html


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