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wpg6.5 07-30-2014 11:37 AM

Turbo suggestions
 
I'm looking to change up my turbo on my truck as I have FAR too much fuel for it and cruise is pretty warm. I have everything in my sig. An he351 turbo is what I have now, on a 3rd gen manifold. Looking for something that would support near 600 horse, spool fairly quick, and be able to run as a smaller turbo for compounds in the future. Been looking potentially at a silver bullet 64, a fleece cheetah he351 and the htt he351 2.5. But not sure if the he351 bases will be able to control my egts. Thanks

4x4manonbroke 07-30-2014 01:40 PM

no sig ... :humm:

94 12valve 07-30-2014 02:12 PM

if your doing compounds keep the charger you have now and throw a s475 under it. Very hard set up to beat for your power goals

wpg6.5 07-30-2014 04:18 PM

I got one just doesn't show on the phone version. I'll write it out quick tho for reference. 95 175horse 12 valve, port and polished head, 3 angle valve job, bd 2 piece 3rd gen manifold, arp625's, hybrid 181 dv's (supposed to be similar to 191 and 024's) 5x012 injectors, airdog 150, Tork tech 060 ofv, stock he351, 4 inch all the way back, #10 plate, afc tuning and mods, sbc 3250 dual disk, custom 3 inch intake horn, industrial injection 150 valve springs. And as for compounds that's a plan for far down the road when I have the money. Need something for dd now, so you would suggest something like the htt 2.5 he351 or the cheetah? I won't ever want to push over 700 even with compounds as I don't have o rings and this will be a dd. I basically just need something too control my egts

4x4manonbroke 07-30-2014 06:54 PM

Well, 94 is right on the money a s475 can be had for a reasonable price 1.10 A/R 26cm housing ... there on E-bay for around 900 ish ... some more and some less but, unless you can shell out bucks for a premo unit ... might look into that ..

then It's all about piping and such .. :c:

wpg6.5 07-30-2014 07:48 PM

True, I'd hate to get rid of my new 3rd gen manifold tho. Would like to get some miles out of it. Plus would like something a bit less restrictive then the HE351. It's only a 60/65/9 I'm not sure what fleece or htt fully do to theirs but I just need something that runs a bit cooler for now. Something more bolt on and go. I will be defiantly going s475 or bigger as a compound in the future. Any suggestions would be helpful.

94 12valve 07-30-2014 09:15 PM

don't waste your money on there he351 workstock chargers you will be better off spending your money on a good s300 charger like a super b special or a 63/68. 700 on a drivable single is not going to be very fun to drive, both the chargers I listed will get you to 550-600 rwhp pretty easy.

Did you drill out the he351's wastegate? they can be hogged out to almost 1" which really helps keep it cool and for the record specs on the 351 are 60/60 9cm

wpg6.5 07-30-2014 09:58 PM

i wasn't planning 700 on a single, I'm thinking 700 down the road with twins. as for the he351 i have its all stock with the waste gate clamped I'm pretty sure, it hits about 42-45 psi since my mods. i am interested in the bd special but thought it may be a bit big, but i suppose not since i was curious about the silver bullet 64 which is a 64/74/14. would the special light fast enough to run in a compound setup?

LostSoul71 07-31-2014 12:18 AM

The special is supposed to be horrible for towing, so I am not sure I would want to run it in my compound set up. Being a manual, I was told to avoid it with even the light towing I do for my off road truck.

4x4manonbroke 07-31-2014 12:21 AM

I would go 62/68/12 and then you will be able to get to "about" 450-500 .. then add a s475 .. ( silver 62 ) ... or go the s300 62/65/14 ..

1989-2002 Dodge HTB2 Street Stock 62/14 Turbo

and its a great piece .. i went for a cruize in a 12v with one .. DAMN .. that thing was a scootin right along ... :rocking::choochoo::s:

94 12valve 07-31-2014 06:36 AM

unclamp the wastegate and keep your he351 that will solve a lot of the issues your having now. With the small housing it has the wastegate needs to be opperational just like hx35's. Without it opening drivepressure builds very quickly which leads to high egt's and loss of power.

wpg6.5 07-31-2014 08:15 AM

I may try hooking it up just to help for now but still looking to upgrade from the 351, been looking at the agp 64/68/12 with the billet wheel. Direct bolt on for the common rail manifold and can't beat the price

wpg6.5 07-31-2014 08:50 AM

Sorry ment 63/68/12

wpg6.5 07-31-2014 04:27 PM

Hooked up the gate. Set for 25 which is useless at this point. Def not pulling the turbo just to rig up a custom wastegate actuator. So I will still be looking for a charger if any one has suggestions I'd greatly appreciate it

4x4manonbroke 08-01-2014 12:12 AM

ok... we suggested and you didnt like the suggestions ... what more should we do ??? :s:

Seems kind strange that your haveing an issue with this turbo as a compunding set up .. guys run these to 600-800 hp and never have many issues ... so ... what exactly are you wanting again ????

we cant help what you shoot down as suggestions my friend .. not tryin to chew ur arse but ... suggestions made, 94 has a Sled pull truck, if your not going to listen to me ... ( 20 years of gearing up anything ) .. do please listen to him ... HE ACTUALLY does this for fun !!!

wpg6.5 08-01-2014 06:55 AM

Sorry if I seemed like I was shooting you guys down, I completely agree with the general sizing you were suggestion just was looking for a bit more specific examples of turbos and their specific benefits. Like a ps62 compared to a htt 62/65/13 etc. But I did find a turbo I think I'm set on in the general dimension range you suggested for a price that can't be beat and with good feed back from what I can find, an agp 63/68/12 with a billet wheel. And at 1500 and a direct replacement for the he351 it's a killer deal. If you guys have any experience with agp please share :) thanks for your input

94 12valve 08-01-2014 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by wpg6.5 (Post 1069255)
Sorry if I seemed like I was shooting you guys down, I completely agree with the general sizing you were suggestion just was looking for a bit more specific examples of turbos and their specific benefits. Like a ps62 compared to a htt 62/65/13 etc. But I did find a turbo I think I'm set on in the general dimension range you suggested for a price that can't be beat and with good feed back from what I can find, an agp 63/68/12 with a billet wheel. And at 1500 and a direct replacement for the he351 it's a killer deal. If you guys have any experience with agp please share :) thanks for your input

Specs on the ps 62 are 62/65/12 or 14, the only difference in your htt and ps62 chargers is the housing the 13 is stailness steel will last longer than the cast housings.

Also FYI the super phat shafts use the 71mm turbine choices of 12 or 14 housing as well and the silver series uses the 73mm turbine 14 cm housing. All are t3 and all can be a direct drop in for 2nd or 3rd gens.

wpg6.5 08-01-2014 09:15 AM

That's a big thing for me at the moment. Getting something as close to drop in as possible as I'm running my cummins in a 96 Chevy 2500 and things are a bit tight on the turbo side. There's so much reading to do and I'm quite torn on the housing size and not sure if going with a 68 or 70 turbine would be beneficial in either direction. I'm basically set on a 63 compressor wheel but there are so many options out there at different price points and ease of installation as I really don't want to have to modify my dp but as long as my manifold will work with whatever turbo I choose changing to a hx40 flange wouldn't be the end of the world. I really appreciate all the insight as my turbo buying experience is limited and all I really have for info is forums. Not really a big diesel community here in winnipeg canada.

94 12valve 08-01-2014 10:58 AM

if your set on the 63mm compressor wheel the 68 turbine with a 12 or 13cm housing I think will be your best bet

wpg6.5 08-01-2014 04:32 PM

Thanks, seems like that should work good for now and allow me to twin in the future. Going to look into htt's 63/68/13ss also maybe their 63.5/68/14 with the forge milled compressor wheel


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