Clutch!
 

Im going to install a new clutch soon because mine is slipping like none other. Anyway my question is about the flywheel. Ive always replaced the flywheel when I install a new clutch and I plan on it when I replace this one. But if I go with a south bend clutch should I use a south bend flywheel or can I just go down to the parts house and get a stock replacement flywheel? Im just kind of hesitant to buy a flywheel for $350 from south bend if i can get one thats just as good for 100 bucks from the parts house

Every clutch I bought from southbend comes with a flywheel

well im looking at a 400 horse 800 ft lb clutch. the clutch that comes with the flywheel is $727 from alligator and the kit with no flywheel is $485 from alligator. so all im wondering is whether or not the actual south bend flywheel is worth all that extra money

I've had 3 southbend clutches. 2 dual disc and 1 single disc. I love them and I put them through hell and back. Never had any problem with them at all. Had a 2010 1/2 crew cab dually cummins with 479 rwhp and pulled 22,000 lbs of hay bails a bunch during summer months and 20,000 lbs of tobacco during the fall and winter months. Not one time did it give any problems. Both dual disc were rated 650hp. The single was rated around 450 or 500 and it was in a 94 12 valve. I dumped the clutch a lot and had no problems with it. All I'm saying is you get what you pay for and southbend clutch will be the only one I ever have in my trucks.

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I'm saying I would go with the south bend fly wheel

Yeah , they stand behind there product and good service is hard to find .. herd manny god things from NWbombers .... lotts of happy bombers there :tu:

yea i plan on getting the south bend. so what im understanding from you guys is that i should spend the extra $250 for their flywheel? I mean i will if its really worth it but has anybody looked at the southbend flywheel in comparison to the stock flywheel?

Yes get the southbend comes with upgraded pilot bearing and accepts a 13 in clutch stock flywheel does neither

yea i was reading on summit racing and the southbend clutches wont work with an oem style flywheel

Ok I know that this question is blown way out of proportion because of the fact that theres really no way to tell without slapping the truck on a dyno but how much hp and torque do you guys think my truck is pushing? I just want to make sure i get the clutch i need instead of the clutch i think i should get. Cummins Diesel Torque Cam Fuel Plate Dodge 5.9L 12 Valve P7100 Injection Pump
According to pure diesel power a #10 fuel plate alone will give you 330 hp and 750 ft-lbs which i dont believe but it just got me wondering. anyway im looking at either a south bend or valair and want to make sure i get the clutch rated for about how much power i have.

That's not in addition to stock hp. Your truck will have 330 hp total after you install the plate. I would get a southbend dual disc street clutch rated for 650hp. That's what I have. It gives you room to grow. And the drive way better than singles and are not as loud. Actually I don't hear mine a at all.

Yea im not dumb i know that its not in addition to the stock hp and torque. i just didnt realize that fuel plates would make that big of a difference.

And i dont have 1200 bucks just laying around to throw at a brand new south bend dual disk. But i guess if thats what i need then thats what I'll get. I would rather get a used one and rebuild it. :tu:

there never the same after its rebuild .... I had a centerforce clutch ..... it was junk after the relining and rebuilt hub .... super tight pedal and touchy as all hell in take off ... put the truck up against rocks and burned it a bit .... still hated the damn thing .....:argh:

So you guys think i should dish out the cash for a new dual disc?

The point of the south bend with flywheel is the diameter. Going from 12 1/4" to a 13" addresses some of the disc issues found when used in higher power and torque applications. You could just buy a 13" flywheel but you'd have to address the input shaft issue when ordering your clutch. It'd probably be just as easy to order it as the kit. If your question is to keep the 12 1/4 instead of using a conversion, there's no way even in Stock application I'd use the 12 1/4. The hubs just seem to fail over and over. Hopefully this addresses the question you had. This is just from my experiences between the two clutches. Do you need a dual disc? Power wise no. But if you abuse it and/or add power later the single likely won't take as much abuse. The con ofe style clutch will be more pleasant to drive but the new dual disc clutches aren't too bad manners wise.
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ok i already have adressed that issue and its done and over with. now im stuck with trying to figure out if i should get a single disc and not add much more power, or get a dual disc and go buckwild

Do you like your vehicles to be reliable?

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yea its my daily driver so i need it to be. so i should leave it where its at...

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I think if i do anything else it'll just be maybe a mild turbo upgrade and some water meth for towing purposes

Then go ahead and look at a dual disc and keep the mods to a minimum. Maybe a set of 90 horse 5x10 or 11 injectors, 100 plate, 30 gsk, and a 62/65 and leave it alone after that!

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Wasn't saying you were stupid. That's just the way I read it sorry! If ur truck is running, leave it as is and save the money for a dual disc. If you don't want to spend the money buy a singe disc and be limited to what you can do with the truck. How about this, make up ur mind on what you want to do with your truck in the long run and make the call ur self. We gave u our opinion. It's your money bro.

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Single disc-$800 ?
Dual disc-$1200?
Installation-$400? Unless you do it ur self
Single disc goes bad then replace with dual disc-$2000 + installation unless u do it ur self.
To me the dual disc drive better and are worth the extra $400 and you have the capability to grow. To me it's like installing head studs. Spend a little for a lot of insurance.

Clint .. Your Hitting the Nial on the head my friend .. Couldn't agree more ... DO it once and be done with it ... unless your trying to pull Everest or making a zillion HP ... LOL

wait. . .a fuel plate will double the hp on a stock truck?

am I missing something here?

Nah. Numbers are just that numbers lol

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Nope ... if you pull the plate you will top out about 45-50 Hp more and gains around 125-150 tq .... not double ... thats Nitrous ..:ha:

Ok that makes sense. I'll just pony up and dive into a dual disc so I wont have to worry about it! Because I know myself, I'm sure i'll save up some money and decide to spend it on injectors or a turbo or something and then my clutch would slip and i would be pissed that I didnt spend the money in the first place so south bend dual disc it is :tu: thanks guys

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where is the best place to buy them in your guys opinion? between xdp, alligator, and thoroughbred they are all about the same price. Do any of these places have exceptionally good customer service or do you know about any other website that is good to get parts from?

I'd check Luke at diesel dawgs or Garrett at pure diesel power

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We can set you up

Luke

yeah that sounds slightly more likely. that site lists my 95 auto as gaining 70 crank hp.

that's a large amount. I could do that (with obligatory intake/exhaust) and be happy with that hehe.

Pure diesel stuff is over priced. Or atleast the website prices are. Thoroughbred diesel was great to me. And the stuff I order comes in faster than my local performance shop does.

This mentality right here is what's destroying the American economy as we know it. As long as folks like you look for cheap cheap cheap we'll all be broke broke broke.

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I really hope ur joking about that. Should I buy over priced parts and go broke broke broke myself? If you want to pay more than something is worth to get the economy going more power to you. :rocking:

Nope not joking at all. Garrett isn't over priced he's making a fair profit. If you saw it from a business owner perspective it might make sense. You'll learn one day lol

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I don't know garret. All I said was the prices on the website were a little high than others. Sellers want to get the highest price they can get and buyers want the lowest price they can get, well except for you I guess. I work hard for my money so I try to get the best price I can get on anything I buy. So I guess you would give sticker price on a brand new truck instead of trying to find the same truck cheaper just to get the economy going? Well I guess we can agree to disagree.

Ok luke I'll PM you my email so that we can get something going here

First of all I'm not trying to say I'm right or wrong. I'm just trying to show you my point of view. Maybe we should start a discussion on the subject and not trash this thread.

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Cheap probably means cheap service. Just keep that in mind

Luke

I wrote up the lecture I always give but figured it was pointless :D

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Yes you are the economical guru. Yes your lecture was pointless, I'm not paying for overpriced merchandise. And no one else is except you. In relation to cheap might mean poor service I think thoroughbred diesel has pretty good service.

Economical guru :o in regards to economics I likely would be a economical as a guru, I have no education or basis on the subject aside from owning a business. But even I can see the fault in the cheapest mentality.
And there again, you'll learn one day lol :D
Also maybe you should look again because pure diesel power is the same price as your boys over at thoroughbred :rolleyes: Maybe when you grow up you'll gain some understanding of economics, map pricing policy's and ethics. Of course we all know you'll come back with a smart a$$ answer. After all its the internet.
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Sorry never meant to come off as a smartass. I never said my boys at t-breds had a cheaper clutch than pure diesel. There have been a few times I've looked for a certain part and pure diesel was higher than most other websites. Brother you can degrade me all you want and I'll still love you man. Since you know a little about economics you should know that paying a higher price than something is worth will not get the economy better. It's spending money in general that does that. Atleast that's what I learned in college. Man this has got out of hand and way off subject. You took it to the next level. The guy asked for opinions to where he should buy. I gave him mine and I guess you thought I should learn a lesson. I'm done with this. You have a blessed day and forgive me if I have offended you in any way. God Bless.

Degrade you? Nah man. I'm just making a point. Didn't offend me at all. :D
I seriously think we should start a thread on this subject.
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