Water In Oil
My apologies in advance I know this has probably been covered many times before. However I have combed most of the archive forum questions and haven't found my situation. I have a 95 cummins that blew a headgasket... oil in the water/water in oil. So being short on cash and honestly just not knowing any better I pulled it off cleaned it up and put a new gasket (Felpro) on it. This time no oil in the water only water in the oil. Put in a new water pump and thermostat (non cummins) while I had it all apart as well. Took off the oil cooler cleaned and tested it and replaced the gaskets with Cummins gaskets and of course didn't fix the problem of water in the oil and a rock hard top radiator hose. So pulled the head again took it to the machine shop to get it checked for cracks and if it was flat. Head was not cracked and took 10 off the head. So got a new gasket Felpro again and put it back together and I am still getting the same problem with it this time also pushing water out of the radio with the cap off and hard upper radiator hose. Hopefully there is something I am missing or doing wrong. My next step is going to be pull the block and take it all over to the machine shop. Oh also I re used my old head bolts. I have heard that's a no go but was short on money and had to get it back together and some of the old guys had said they have re used them without an issue. Everything was torqued in sequence with all bolts an original 66 ft lbs and 90 on the long ones with an extra 1/4 turn on all bolts. I appreciate any help.
V/R Mike |
Pull the pan, pressure the cooling system, and watch for leak.
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Please have the sleves checked for cracks it sounds like your sleve is cracked and its letting air in the radiator and water to squeeze past the compression rings plus it will blow the water out when the caps off I've had that happen on a 60series detroit
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Thanks for the ideas. Will the pan come off in the truck? Mine is a 95 2wd, and its my understanding if I lose pressure out of the radiator but don't get water out of the bottom its something to do with the head, and if i get water out of the bottom it's somewhere in the block? Do the local stores rent the pressure kit for the radiator that you guys know of, or is it going to be a purchase item? Thanks for the help thus far.
V/R Mike |
My local orielly's auto parts loans/rents a tester. Not sure if the pan will come off. If you can get it off, sometimes there will be rust in the area to help with locating the leak.
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you might have a cracked block , or your oil cooler is infact leaking ... :humm:
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How common would it be for a block to crack especially before a head is that something that happens? The truck got warm but definitely not pegged out the temp gauge when the original gasket blew. All I had was some old water damage on the side of the block where it had been leaking for a while.
V/R Mike |
it happens all the time, #53 blocks are real bad for it .... could just be a bad cylinder or something that was noticed in the machining of the head... :humm:
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Orilies advance auto parts autozone all have testers for your application look under your truck if you have room for oilpan clearance some trucks have removable crossmembers to help with a in frame but you can remove the motor mount bolts then you can lift the motor to get clearance for the oilpan
Originally Posted by Runnin8842
(Post 1028216)
Thanks for the ideas. Will the pan come off in the truck? Mine is a 95 2wd, and its my understanding if I lose pressure out of the radiator but don't get water out of the bottom its something to do with the head, and if i get water out of the bottom it's somewhere in the block? Do the local stores rent the pressure kit for the radiator that you guys know of, or is it going to be a purchase item? Thanks for the help thus far.
V/R Mike |
Machine shop said everything was good to go with the head so hopefully they were right. I am going to try and pressurize it tomorrow and see what happens. Regardless if the pan won't come out to easy can I just take the drain plug out and drain the oil first and then see if I get water out of the drain plug after pressurizing? Also if I am indeed getting water out, best bet to start looking for a new block to swap my guts into?
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Well, just pulling the drain plug will tell you, you are getting water in your oil. What it wont tell you is where its coming from. Head, gasket, cylinder,
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could have a bad HG also , I have seen it a few times.... dosent mean its just a block ....
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Gave the guy over at the machine shop that checked my head for me. He told me he magnafluxed it. I was under the impression he had pressurized it. I have heard magnaflux doesn't work/isn't always accurate for these heads. Anyone heard the same thing? Think its possible the head could actually be cracked?
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That's very possible cause worthington ag parts uses the same magnaflux junk it will tell you what you want the owner to know if you use the magnet right lol but its a 50 50 call
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Sad to say but I am actually hoping the head is cracked which will save me a lot of work as opposed to yanking the engine and swapping everything into another block. The weird thing now is that I am getting oil in my water again. After letting it run a little longer today I am getting oil and water both ways again. Where after the initial change I was only get water in the oil. So I am in worse shape after the machine shop visit than I was before.
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Head is good its holding pressure just fine. Looks like its onto the block from here.
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Originally Posted by Runnin8842
(Post 1028761)
Head is good its holding pressure just fine. Looks like its onto the block from here.
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I had the head magnafluxed when i had it decked. Didn't trust the magnaflux so took it to another machine shop to have it pressurized. So far the head is holding pressure all day. That's the only reason I am thinking the block now
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