Navistars Days Are Numbered...... - Page 2

**redneckbuckeye** · #16 09-25-2008, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by kbailey

Isn't Navistar buying CAT's over the road engine division??? After ford falls on it's face with this engine and they go crawling back to navistar it is conceivable that you could find a yellow engine under the hood .. or at least a yellow engine painted like a navistar.

From what they have told us it will be a joint effort between CAT and Navastar, don't know the details as we do not build the over the road engines.

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**slowtowpig** · #17 09-25-2008, 10:23 PM

wat ever happens, happens. i like all diesels. -

**AF1CUMMINS** · #18 09-26-2008, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by DieselHardware

IMO Ford has always had the better looking better built trucks. One of our company Chevy's only has 130K on it, maybe 5 years old and already has door and trim pieces falling off. Mostly highway miles too.....

I also don't expect a truck to ride like a caddy....if I wanted a caddy, I'd buy one. My truck doesn't ride all that bad, and neither does my dad's F-350 long bed for that matter. They ride really great when loaded. Put 1k in the bed of my truck and they ride like a dream.

I totally agree with you. That's why I said if Ford were to put an inline six turbo diesel I'd come back tomorrow. LOL, I miss em so much I'm seriously considering getting a late 90s early 2000s model and doin a Cummins swap. The Cat C7 would be ideal but I'd have enough of a hard time affording the buying of the truck, motor and all related swap pieces to do a Cummins. -

**E2theRock2** · #19 09-26-2008, 11:38 AM

Its gonna be interesting to see what happens a little farther down the road. Fords are alright in my opinion, they have never really worked super well out on the ranch for us but I still hope this works out for them. Good luck to Ford.

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YMMOT · #20 09-26-2008, 12:30 PM

Somebody forgot to tell all those diesel trians that the inline diesels were better than a V Configuration. They also forgot to tell all of the super dump trucks, too.

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**Red_Rattler** · #21 09-26-2008, 04:33 PM

All those motors do is spin a generator and all of the gen sets that I've ever installed are in the V config even Cummins! V's are better suited for those conditions higher rpm more compact design for the power output and just look at the displacement on the motor..... Once the gen set is spinnin at 2000rpm thats it, it just has to maintain the rpm. The last one I installed was a v16 Cat. When we did the load test on it with the whole hospital on it, it was showing only 15% load on the motor......

Thats a normal size door behind it to get an idea of the size....

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BLACK_06POWERSTROKE · #22 09-26-2008, 07:20 PM

Oh and by the way that new ford is ugly.[/quote]

obviously you havent paid much attention to chevrolets looks for the last 5 years. you wanna talk about ugly. whoever the dumbass engineer was that thought up putting avalanche headleads and hoods on a truck needs to be shot in the face.

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YMMOT · #23 09-26-2008, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by Red_Rattler

All those motors do is spin a generator .....

Oh so that means that don't do any work??? I can tell you that you can sure hear the load on those trains when they are climbing a pass like Cajon. -

**Red_Rattler** · #24 09-26-2008, 10:01 PM

Oh for sure they get a load on them! It just has to deal with the space limitations more than anything, not becuase its a superior design. Inline 16 vs. v16

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stkdram55 · #25 09-26-2008, 10:15 PM

Yeah if i agree trucks are supposed to ride like trucks there not supposed to be nice and smooth and comfortable yeah its nice but if your really worried about ride and all that buy a car

I wish ford would of built an inline 6 because yes they do have alot more torgue in the bottom end of the RPM range and are alot more durable to what we do to them now a days, you can run 800 HP on the stock bottom end of a cummins without ever dropping the oil pan

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**Woody35** · #26 09-27-2008, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by slowtowpig

wat ever happens, happens. i like all diesels.

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**AF1CUMMINS** · #27 09-27-2008, 10:05 PM

Well, all the motor talk aside. I think the big three are losin sight of what 90% of the real world uses these trucks for. Most of us could care less about adjustable footpedals, plush interiors and other useless junk like that. I HATE HATE HATE the carpet in my truck and would put a vinyl floor in it tomorrow if I could find one. But they need to get back to no nonsense work trucks. I mean look at the new Chevy's. We've got the 2500's here in Iraq as lease trucks, the metal on the beds is so thin that they're creasing from LITERALLY people sitting on the bed rail!!!!!

BRING BACK OLD SCHOOL WORK TRUCKS!!!!!!!! Ex; 77-79 Ford HiBoy, BULLETPROOF -

toads250 · #28 09-28-2008, 01:17 PM

think of it a 77-70 hiboy with a cummins or a powerstroke that would be bulletproof

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**redneckbuckeye** · #29 09-28-2008, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Red_Rattler

All those motors do is spin a generator and all of the gen sets that I've ever installed are in the V config even Cummins! V's are better suited for those conditions higher rpm more compact design for the power output and just look at the displacement on the motor..... Once the gen set is spinnin at 2000rpm thats it, it just has to maintain the rpm. The last one I installed was a v16 Cat. When we did the load test on it with the whole hospital on it, it was showing only 15% load on the motor......

Thats a normal size door behind it to get an idea of the size....

The CAT 3500 series goes on more than just gensets, the use them in mining equipment, and marine uses, we build a lot of the 3500 motors for yahts and other boats and the the 3600 goes into bigger ships. The " inline is better than a V dsign story is getting old, the only benifit is a few less moving parts and a little simpler design. The 3500 cat puts out about 200hp per cyln and the 3600 cat puts out about 400 hp per cyln, not sure on what the new c175 puts out, but its more than 200 per cyln.

A little note for the Cummins fans that always use the inline is beter line, Cummins is coming out with V6 and V8 engines for there trucks and SUV, and I will bet the inline 6.7 is on on borrowed time, just a hunch. -

**Red_Rattler** · #30 09-28-2008, 07:48 PM

Of course they are used in other apps other than gen. sets, I was just saying in the train and big mining trucks that's its purpose. Not knockin the v design at all, just sharing my experience with the v motor in gen. set apps. I could care less what badge is on the grill of a diesel truck, were all on the same team doing what we love: driving, bombin and enjoying our trucks!

Back on topic..... How about that new Ford diesel that will hopefully be a good investment for the company!?

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