The Tolman Skiff
#1
The Tolman Skiff
2 to 3 hundred of these boats have been built.
lately i been reading about an inboard stern drive diesel put in one of these skiffs...
this light weight home built 24 ft boat gets 6 to 7 mpgs and i want one
cummins/merc cruiser diesel 130 hp
more pics of different configs of the boat, one has a walk through windsheld.
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/tol...f5?b=1&m=f&o=0
lately i been reading about an inboard stern drive diesel put in one of these skiffs...
this light weight home built 24 ft boat gets 6 to 7 mpgs and i want one
cummins/merc cruiser diesel 130 hp
more pics of different configs of the boat, one has a walk through windsheld.
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/tol...f5?b=1&m=f&o=0
Last edited by Maj Easy; 10-14-2007 at 04:59 AM.
#2
at this point, i'm just dreaming cus wifey says no way,
to touring the the intercoastal water ways of the US.
here's a pic of the diesel boat builder and his girl friend....
notice i said "girl friend".... gals will travel anywhere with you
prior to marriage.
his web site shares his complete 2 year build of his boat.
fun read, if you're a dreamer.
http://www.backporchboat.org/
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if you have plenty of money and don't feel like building your own boat.
80 to 100K will buy you a diesel version of this boat.....
about twice the weight of the Tolman.
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if you're going with the heavier fiberglass boat you might want
a little more power.. maybe something like this...
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good discussion regarding Gas Versus Diesel in small boats.
http://www.yachtsurvey.com/GasDiesel.htm
to touring the the intercoastal water ways of the US.
here's a pic of the diesel boat builder and his girl friend....
notice i said "girl friend".... gals will travel anywhere with you
prior to marriage.
his web site shares his complete 2 year build of his boat.
fun read, if you're a dreamer.
http://www.backporchboat.org/
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if you have plenty of money and don't feel like building your own boat.
80 to 100K will buy you a diesel version of this boat.....
about twice the weight of the Tolman.
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if you're going with the heavier fiberglass boat you might want
a little more power.. maybe something like this...
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good discussion regarding Gas Versus Diesel in small boats.
http://www.yachtsurvey.com/GasDiesel.htm
Last edited by Maj Easy; 10-14-2007 at 09:52 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
#3
.....or about 25 grand and the ability to drop in your own engine and fix some holes & cracks. (wink wink)
Those homebuilts look cool, very nice hulls. I wonder how the light weight compromises (if any) the strength to handle heavy pounding?
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#5
I've been to Homer before and never even heard of Renn Tolman. :doh:
They've got the classic dory lines for sure. That alone would make them a seaworthy machine, but I suppose the end builder's talent would mean more for withstanding punishment than the original design.
1000 pounds just seems too light for a ~23' boat to take on big water and hold together....unless it's carbon fiber. LOL
Either way, they look cool and for the price a guy can't about beat it. Thanks for the posts!!!
I don't know who bought that Orca off eBay, but they've got WAY more talent and ambition (or courage) than myself. Fixing gelcoat, floors, and repowering our 24 was bad enough, and it floated when we bought it.
They've got the classic dory lines for sure. That alone would make them a seaworthy machine, but I suppose the end builder's talent would mean more for withstanding punishment than the original design.
1000 pounds just seems too light for a ~23' boat to take on big water and hold together....unless it's carbon fiber. LOL
Either way, they look cool and for the price a guy can't about beat it. Thanks for the posts!!!
I don't know who bought that Orca off eBay, but they've got WAY more talent and ambition (or courage) than myself. Fixing gelcoat, floors, and repowering our 24 was bad enough, and it floated when we bought it.
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Radio Flyer
my guess is that Roy's boat weights closer to 1600, maybe 1700 pounds.
which is still very light weight, because i have a 19 foot inboard fiberglass bow rider that weights about 3300 lbs... i also guess that a Skagit Orca weights maybe 6000 lbs.
the plywood patterns are cnc precut, but what you said about the boat builder skill says it all... i've seen pictures of how a few different guys have built these boats and they're all slightly different...
Roy beefed up his stringers with carbon fiber tape as well as woven fiberglass and epoxy... two part epoxy is stonger and lighter weight than polyester fiberglass that is used by most manufacturers. he also bolted a 1/4in. steel bracket to his stringers for mounting his inboard diesel..... he was on his own on all the inboard mounting procedures because it had never been done before....
the perfect boat?
http://www.backporchboat.org/Begin001.html
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5500 pounds for a Skagit Orca extended cabin
http://www.skagitorca.com/24xlc.htm
my guess is that Roy's boat weights closer to 1600, maybe 1700 pounds.
which is still very light weight, because i have a 19 foot inboard fiberglass bow rider that weights about 3300 lbs... i also guess that a Skagit Orca weights maybe 6000 lbs.
the plywood patterns are cnc precut, but what you said about the boat builder skill says it all... i've seen pictures of how a few different guys have built these boats and they're all slightly different...
Roy beefed up his stringers with carbon fiber tape as well as woven fiberglass and epoxy... two part epoxy is stonger and lighter weight than polyester fiberglass that is used by most manufacturers. he also bolted a 1/4in. steel bracket to his stringers for mounting his inboard diesel..... he was on his own on all the inboard mounting procedures because it had never been done before....
the perfect boat?
http://www.backporchboat.org/Begin001.html
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5500 pounds for a Skagit Orca extended cabin
http://www.skagitorca.com/24xlc.htm
Last edited by Maj Easy; 10-16-2007 at 08:52 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
#7
Aaron Enstad's 24 foot Tolman Skiff Jumbo
start off with lots of plywood, 2 part epoxy, add a neat design, give tons of your time, and a couple of gallons of 2 part paint..... presto A WORK OF ART!!
more pics:
http://www.fishyfish.com/aaron_enstad/index.html
start off with lots of plywood, 2 part epoxy, add a neat design, give tons of your time, and a couple of gallons of 2 part paint..... presto A WORK OF ART!!
more pics:
http://www.fishyfish.com/aaron_enstad/index.html
#8
#9
Its not weight that makes boats strong. Marine plywood, covered with glass and epoxy is plenty strong. Ask some folks like Dave Gerr and many other very good designers.
The reason its not used in production boats are probably many fold. People associate wood with rot. People think Plywood and water - no WAY!. Everybody has seen rotted plywoo, and few know the difference between crap wood, exterior, or marine, or why they are differnent. Finally, production boats would be so costly because you cnat mass produce them in plywood.
I built a Tolman and let me say I have over 1000 hrs running on it and many offshore trips. You have to slow down in big seas or head on to a steep chop. But they are seaworthy as all get out, lightweight yes, but seawothy and strong.
Dave
The reason its not used in production boats are probably many fold. People associate wood with rot. People think Plywood and water - no WAY!. Everybody has seen rotted plywoo, and few know the difference between crap wood, exterior, or marine, or why they are differnent. Finally, production boats would be so costly because you cnat mass produce them in plywood.
I built a Tolman and let me say I have over 1000 hrs running on it and many offshore trips. You have to slow down in big seas or head on to a steep chop. But they are seaworthy as all get out, lightweight yes, but seawothy and strong.
Dave
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Its not weight that makes boats strong. Marine plywood, covered with glass and epoxy is plenty strong. Ask some folks like Dave Gerr and many other very good designers.
The reason its not used in production boats are probably many fold. People associate wood with rot. People think Plywood and water - no WAY!. Everybody has seen rotted plywoo, and few know the difference between crap wood, exterior, or marine, or why they are differnent. Finally, production boats would be so costly because you cnat mass produce them in plywood.
I built a Tolman and let me say I have over 1000 hrs running on it and many offshore trips. You have to slow down in big seas or head on to a steep chop. But they are seaworthy as all get out, lightweight yes, but seawothy and strong.
Dave
The reason its not used in production boats are probably many fold. People associate wood with rot. People think Plywood and water - no WAY!. Everybody has seen rotted plywoo, and few know the difference between crap wood, exterior, or marine, or why they are differnent. Finally, production boats would be so costly because you cnat mass produce them in plywood.
I built a Tolman and let me say I have over 1000 hrs running on it and many offshore trips. You have to slow down in big seas or head on to a steep chop. But they are seaworthy as all get out, lightweight yes, but seawothy and strong.
Dave
You mention slowing up in big seas for steep chop....how big & how steep? Just trying to get a real-world feel for their capability.
Last edited by Mr. Miyagi; 04-10-2009 at 02:42 AM.