Thanks Dave, so if I understand you correctly I need a top speed eliminator with RAD to keep my '02 from falling on its face from 2300 to 2800, and sticking its head in the dirt from 2800 to 3000 with my current mods, I know I need turbo(s) and sticks, I'm working on it.' -

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I am not sure if you "need" it as much as you "want" it LOL but to stop the defueling of torque management that's what it takes. Then once your moving if you are defueling because of the ECM is seeing too much boost as you pull out to pass that mustang you will need a boost fooler or better know on this thread as a ADD. Oh ya one more thing, if you wastegate is opening you will need an adjustable wastegate or some mean of preventing the wastegate from opening at 22PSI ish. Some guys pinch the wastegate hose off which works but I do not recommend it.

Some of the most common calls I get especially with guys running a tuner is that they are not seeing more than 25PSI boost and think its turbo related. Then they turn to the threads and get lost in the sea of information regarding de-fueling, it is very confusing to say the least. -

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Ok that settles it, I'm in for sure, let me know how much. -

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Taked to Dave (BD) today and looks like its going to be $55 plus shipping. As soon as I can get 10 people to commit we can get the ball rolling. If you are running a plug in module with a boost fooler then you do not need one of these. If you are running a programmer or just aftermarket injectors then this is for you. Let me know -

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Just to add to what Luke's said, the boost foolers will prevent the engine from de-rating on most trucks using any type of modification that does not already plug into the map sensor a fool the ECM.

**Will not increase boost on a stock truck** -

Luke I have a Smarty and an Edge EZ Your saying this wont help me ? -

Correct the Edge EZ already has a boost fooler built into it. -

Ive seen alot of trucks with Edge Comps also running the ADD Even i did this and when i removed it i could tell ...pleasebo ? -

The only thing I could think of is that the BD Boost Fooler works better than what is built into the Box??? "give: -

Hopefully this will start an informative debate...

With the Race Pro, Tow Pro or most other brands of modules that plug in the map sensor, you will not need a boost fooler. You will probably need an adjustable wastegate to prevent the stock one from opening but should not need a boost fooler.

Please someone chime in with some facts and prove me wrong LOL -

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Ok, so comp and smarty stack you say no, but what if my truck still falls on its face and seems to defuel through the computer with this stack and the waistgate tied shut,? Not to Hijack but I'm gonna Maybe my VP is weak and losing it on the top end? I dont know I'm just trying to gather info, cause I've tried map sensor, all possible setting combos, Fass 150, adjustable waistgate,,,,bla bla bla. If it might even help a little to do an ADD then I'm in, unless somebody can give me some other ideas. -

ok i've got a question.....i was doing some reading on BD's web site and from what i read there is a big difference between a "boost fooler" and a "anti defueler"......and there is a big price difference as well from 60ish for the boost fooler to like 250ish for the anti defuler which according to BD's website will keep the truck from defueling in the higher rpms and before shifts in an auto.....maybe dave can clear this up better -

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Yes they are completely different.

The BD Anti Defueler will eliminate Torque Management and the Boost Fooler will eliminate the defueling caused by over boost. I will break these two units down as best as I can.

Torque Management is built into 2000 and up Dodge Rams 5.9L, it is designed to defuel the motor when the vehicle is producing boost but the speed sensor is not detecting speed. For example if you were at the track and holding the brake while loading the turbo up and launched a 15PSI of boost the computer would see 15 or more psi or boost but very little speed and cut the fuel causing the truck to fall on its face. To eliminate this from happening you would use the BD Race Anti Defueler known now as the BD Top Speed Eliminator with R.A.D. (Race Anti Defueling) technology. The Top Speed Eliminators also include tire size calibrator feature that works on trucks up to 2004.

Overboost: is when you are cruising at certain speed or pulling a trailer and get onto the throttle hard which is obviously going to spike your boost up. The trucks are not designed to make much more than 22-25 psi, so they program them to start to defuel at 22-25 PSI. On a stock truck you would have to work it pretty hard to get those number but with a chip or tuner we all know that is very easy. So to prevent the defueling programmed into the computer you would use a boost fooler. Like I stated befor, most chips that come with a map sensor plug include this boost fooler but a tuner or injectors obviously do not have this option, thus need a boost fooler. -