Diesel Bombers SIGN UP NOW Diesel Bombers

Go To The Home Page About Us Join The Bombers

Vote for us on Top Diesel Sites Join our Facebook Group Follow Us On Twitter Subscribe to our RSS feed Subscribe to Our You Tube Channel Add us as your friend on Myspace Bookmark us on Delicious Bookmark us on Digg Link To Our Family Of Sites Invite Your Friends Check Out Our Blog Add Diesel Bombers To Your Network

Bomb Site Regional & Clubs Reviews Shop Bombers Classifieds Directory Casino & Board Games [0] Arcade
Go Back   Diesel Bombers > Bombers Forums > General Diesel Related
Forgot Password? Join Us!
Register Blogs Mark Forums Read Chat Room

General Diesel Related Discussion for All General Diesel Topics , No Make or Year Specific Discussions , These Topic Should be General Diesel Related

Originally Posted by K50 ...If I hear that one more time my head will explode... Becasue it has less moving parts than a V8.... (psst: did anyone hear a *pop*)... JOIN NOW TO REMOVE TRACER

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #31  
Old 10-01-2009, 05:26 PM
Diesel Enthusiast
Status: stop complaining about the sharks and keep treadin' water...I'm coming...

   

Default

Originally Posted by K50 View Post
...If I hear that one more time my head will explode...
Becasue it has less moving parts than a V8....

(psst: did anyone hear a *pop*)
Reply With Quote


Registered Members don't see these ads. Register now it's free!

  #32  
Old 10-01-2009, 05:49 PM
Wyatt Earp's Avatar
Diesel Bomber
Status: Is really starting to wonder...

   
View Member's FaceBook Profile

Default

You're funny

Wyatt Earp's Sig:Wyatt Earp
Smoke show: 2002 Dodge CTD
Daily Driver: 2003 VW Golf TDI
Other New Car: 2008 MB R320 CDI - Diesel Luxury
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 10-01-2009, 08:25 PM
cumminspwrram59's Avatar
Diesel Enthusiast
Status: lookin for a southern girl

   
Default

all the big truck manufacturers made a v8 cat cummins detroit etc. like the majority of the people on here already said the fact is the inline 6. it cant be beat my buddy had a f-150 with a 300 straight 6 with 400,000 miles on it. the inline is just an indestructible motor thats why i cant understand why ford and chevy havent followed suit yet and made their engines inlines.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 10-01-2009, 11:08 PM
Mr. Miyagi's Avatar
DILLIGAF
Status: I love you, you love me, let's hang Barney from a tree...

   
View Member's Albums


Default

I just love the B series "super truckers" and their mighty mouse baby big rigs.

A B series Cummins is medium duty....as are all of the Navistar V configuration engines used in the Ford trucks, and since the 6.6 Duramax is used in the larger GM trucks I would assume it is medium duty rated as well.

The "light duty" urban legend about the Powerstroke emission sticker is complete bullshit. The sticker says "light heavy duty". The 7.3 and 6.0 Powerstrokes are AKA the T444E and VT365 and are used in the International 4000 series trucks all over North America.

And seriously, if you've ever been around stationary power gen equipment, the marine industry, or very large earth moving equipment...well, the amount of V configuration engines you see would make you shit yourselves, and possibly learn a little bit about engine technology at the same time.

K, I'm done and ready for the sanctioning......

Mr. Miyagi's Sig:

Last edited by Mr. Miyagi; 10-01-2009 at 11:12 PM..
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Mr. Miyagi For This Useful Post:
  #35  
Old 10-02-2009, 01:29 AM
Captain Call's Avatar
Diesel Wrench
Status: Damnit!

   
View Member's Albums

Default

V engines in equipment? Naw.......all lies. The 657's, 637e's, D10's and 777's never used 3408's or 3412's. Never......NEVER!!!! I won't believe it.

Captain Call's Sig:IT SHAKES RATTLES AND ROLLS
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 10-02-2009, 02:28 PM
Mr. Miyagi's Avatar
DILLIGAF
Status: I love you, you love me, let's hang Barney from a tree...

   
View Member's Albums


Default



The Cummins KTA series was a myth made up on the internet, and Al Gore never did invent the Caterpillar D399.

Also, the Caterpillar 3516 is only an internet phenomenon as well....it was never built, because Caterpillar knew it would never work cuz their engineers read all the diesel sites to learn what is really going on.

Last edited by Mr. Miyagi; 10-02-2009 at 02:32 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 10-03-2009, 09:08 PM
Big_Red_Stroker's Avatar
Newbie

   

Default

Originally Posted by K50 View Post
Basic answer is that the Cummins is just a tougher engine than the Powerstroke is, but also it's not smaller than the Powerstroke, yeah it has 6 cylinders, but the displacement of the two engines is nearly the same give or take a few cubic inches. In stock form they're basically all tuned to be within 10hp/10ftlbs of each other to stay competitive, but once you get tuning big, that's when the overdesigned internals of the Cummins really shine through in terms of potential power numbers.

---AutoMerged DoublePost---



Nice post.
the Cummins is alot smaller then the 7.3. 5.9= 360CI 7.3=444CI so thats alot in my book. the dodge has about 60CI Vs 55CI in a 7.3. and the dodge can deliver more fuel do to fords injection system witch sucks. good idea but you can only push so much threw a HPOP. im a ford guy all the way but that 5.9 is a darn good motor.

Big_Red_Stroker's Sig:Trevor Diesel Power
1997 F-350 7.3 turbo Diesel, 4:10 gears, D66, stage 2s, 6" lift, 35" BFG All Terain's, BD Heavy Trans, shift kit, 100% lock up Triple disk torque converter, Banks intercooler, Triple gauge pilliar,K&N Intake, 3" down pipe, FPR shim, TW chip, AirDog Air/Fuel, BD turbo timer, 6in stacks
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 10-04-2009, 06:34 AM
Mr. Miyagi's Avatar
DILLIGAF
Status: I love you, you love me, let's hang Barney from a tree...

   
View Member's Albums


Default

It should also be known that the HEUI system is not a Ford system but a Navistar system; a system that was a joint development venture between Navistar and Caterpillar.
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 10-04-2009, 05:13 PM
kazairl's Avatar
BOMBARDIER

   
View Member's Albums


Default

Now how does that work? The guy I work with bleeds yellow and HE swears up and down the the HEUI was developed entirely by Caterpillar(along with every achievement of the modern world) Just curious if you know more of the story than I do.

kazairl's Sig:02 6 speed High output 4.10 gears AFE stage 2 Intake AFE 4" straightpipe Edge Jammers 100HP Injectors Quadzilla Adrenaline BD short shift 285/75 R16 Wild Country A/T on Eagle Alloys Some aftermarket speakers and a couple subs

Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 10-04-2009, 06:00 PM
Buckshotmckee's Avatar
Sma't Alec!
Status: If you're gonna hang out in places like this, wear a badge on your didey

   
View Member's Albums


Default

I've heard the same, HEUI is Cat?

Buckshotmckee's Sig:

U.S. Navy Seabee Veteran


"We Build, We Fight, We Drink More Beer!"
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 10-04-2009, 08:16 PM
cumminspwrram59's Avatar
Diesel Enthusiast
Status: lookin for a southern girl

   
Default

cat still uses that system dont they if i remember rite? ill still take by b series 5.9 over any of them and my 855 cummins in my big truck over the rest
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 10-04-2009, 08:54 PM
bobcat67's Avatar
Diesel Enthusiast
Status: thinkin ninjas can't catch you if you're on fire

   
Default

Mr. Miyagi I am still interested as to why an Inline motor is perceived as more reliable than a V8, I'm assuming that their are indeed differences and positives and negatives to both designs and I'd really like to know your stance on why things are the way they are, there has to be a reason these "stereotypes" exist I know I have my opinions on this and I will share them upon you stating your opinions, to me it seems like an inline is better and more efficient and reliable up until a certain size threshold where a V just makes more sense because of the amount of space an inline would take up

bobcat67's Sig:2006 Dodge Ram 2500, 6" BDS suspension lift, 40"Toyo Open Country M/T's w/ 22" KMC Monster wheels, Airdog 165 II Limited Edition, Billet Goerend 48RE, Smarty SO6 POD Revo TNT , Boost Fooler, Danin DiPricol Optix gauges-boost, trans, egt, HTT 62/65/12, Spearco Intercooler, AFE Blade Runner., AEM Brute Force HD intake, ATS 2 piece exhaust manifold, 4" turbo back duals by Diamond Eye Performance
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 10-04-2009, 09:42 PM
Big_Red_Stroker's Avatar
Newbie

   

Default

Originally Posted by Mr. Miyagi View Post
It should also be known that the HEUI system is not a Ford system but a Navistar system; a system that was a joint development venture between Navistar and Caterpillar.
what i think he is saying is that ford did not build the powerstroke, navistar did and there all HEUI systems
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 10-05-2009, 10:11 PM
bobcat67's Avatar
Diesel Enthusiast
Status: thinkin ninjas can't catch you if you're on fire

   
Default

i know what mr. miyagi is saying by the HEUI system it was a joint venture by navistar and caterpillar and it's cool that they worked together on it, the question i'm asking is why is the inline motor "better" than the V8's in today's light duty pickups
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 10-06-2009, 12:41 AM
Mr. Miyagi's Avatar
DILLIGAF
Status: I love you, you love me, let's hang Barney from a tree...

   
View Member's Albums


Default

Originally Posted by bobcat67 View Post
i know what mr. miyagi is saying by the HEUI system it was a joint venture by navistar and caterpillar and it's cool that they worked together on it, the question i'm asking is why is the inline motor "better" than the V8's in today's light duty pickups
I never said one engine was better than the other; I was only commenting on how ridiculous it is that many people automatically assume the Cummins is far superior over the V8's purely because it is an inline 6.

Diesel engines come in many configuration and there are lemons and diamonds in each.....using limited examples and knowledge to form an opinion is foolish.....that's all I am getting at.

One could debate the best engine configuration topic for days on end and have enough supporting knowledge and factual information to come up with the fact that neither design is ultimately superior---they all have their benefits and shortcomings.

---AutoMerged DoublePost---

Originally Posted by kazairl View Post
Now how does that work? The guy I work with bleeds yellow and HE swears up and down the the HEUI was developed entirely by Caterpillar(along with every achievement of the modern world) Just curious if you know more of the story than I do.
Caterpillar is very tight lipped about most everything regarding their designs, data, and development programs.

Navistar and Caterpillar have been working together on engine development projects for over 20 years. The HEUI system was developed by a joint design and engineering partnership and brought to market by Caterpillar first, and Navistar shortly thereafter. It is now used by a host of other manufacturers, many of whom are involved in working relationships with Caterpillar (ie, Perkins) and other manufacturers who market other people's engines under their nameplates. Ever hear of the MTU/Detroit Series 30 and Series 40?

Keep a watchful eye for Caterpillar to return to the on-road heavy diesel engine market in a similar manner; standing slightly behind and to the left of their old friend, yet heavily involved in the process.

Last edited by Mr. Miyagi; 10-06-2009 at 12:47 AM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools


 
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:14 AM.

Copyright And Legal Notice Links Of Interest

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.3.2
Diesel Bombers ® - All Content Protected Under Intellectual Property Rights Law of Registered Trademarks
Reg. No. 3,494,401 Cls. 100, 101 & 104 Under Int. Cl. 38
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK WE HOLD NO LIABILITY FOR ANY CONTENT RIGHT, WRONG OR INDIFFERENT

vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266