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Last edited by Whit; 09-16-2007 at 10:51 AM.. |
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BOSCH VP44 INJECTION PUMP AND LIFT PUMP FAILURES EXPLAINED
The best way to start this explanation is to quote an e-mail that was found on the Cummins website. “The Bosch VP44 has not been as reliable as we had hoped”. Depending on who you talk to and who you think is being honest, you will most likely get only some of the information you need. I will endeavor here fill in the gaps and get you up to date and informed; the reason I can tell you more is because Bosch had not, until 2004, allowed any franchised dealer to do anything except to send defective pumps back to the remanufacturing facility. Long before that Blue Chip had dismantled many pumps to figure them out and diagnose what failed and what caused the failure. We do not pretend to be any where near as smart as Bosch, but since there was no experience or information or truth out there, we felt we had to get the best information we could any way possible. Probably the most informative source were the applications for the patents applicable to the VP44. It was this dismantling and learning process that allowed us to get a patent and a performance product to market first. The most common MECHANICAL failure with the VP44 pump is the cause of the code 216. This is when weak lift pumps with low fuel pressure over a perioid of time rupture the diaphragm in the front of the injection pump and the timing piston then vibrates and wears the housing of the pump until fuel bypasses the piston and full advance can no longer be attained. When full advance can't be attained for more than 5 seconds the code 216 is set. This means your pump has lost a lot of its power and fuel mileage and needs to be replaced and upgraded. The next most common MECHANICAL failure is that the rotor seizes in the distributor section of the pump. I should note here that all previous rotary style pumps have had this problem too, to varying degrees. The most common cause and most accepted reason for this failure on rotary pumps is lack of lubrication due to running out of fuel or the possible lower lubricity of the newer low sulphur fuels. In the case of the VP44 it is more common for the rotor to seize in the distributor because the pressures are MUCH higher and therefore mechanical tolerances have to be much smaller. Add the fact that the rotor was not "deburred" enough or correctly during manufacture, and these failures can be easily explained. Under the higher working pressure in the VP44, the edge of the slot in the rotor deflects and interferes with the distributor. Sooner or later the result is a galling of the two parts and then binding and then seizure. The seizure causes the "Drive Plate" to break and the truck stops running, never to start again until the VP44 is replaced. There is less than a half a thousanth of an inch clearance between the two parts, so it doesn't take much to make the rotor interfere with the rotor. Pumps made recently (since about 2000) are experiencing fewer of these kinds of failures, it seems to me. The other reason injection pumps fail is ELECTRCAL issues and failures. These are the problems that cause 99% of the drivability problems. The computer on the top of the VP44 is susceptible to heat and many many heat cycles. The components on the circuit board develop bad connections due to crystallized solder over time and the result is intermittent hard start, white smoke and drivability issues such as the common " Dead Pedal". Rarely can these issues be verified or diagnosed by codes set in the ECM. A lot of people have heard about bad lift pumps and think they are the cause of VP44 drivability issues and therefore electrical failures; NOT SO! Starting with the early 98’s, not only were they weak pressure wise, but also had exposed terminals on the bottom that corrode off in salt environments. The way to tell if you have a corrosion sensitive pump is to see if the electrical connection is a plug on a 6-inch pigtail coming from the bottom of the pump. If the plug is on the top cover of the pump you’re all set, for that problem anyway! If the lift pump is not delivering fuel pressure the truck stays running because there is a gear pump in the front of the injection pump, which keeps the fuel flowing, albeit at a much lower pressure than desired, and hopefully maintains lubrication to the rotor. As long as there is return fuel flow from the injection pump there is lubrication to the rotor, so low fuel pressure and certainly less return fuel makes it much easier to starve the rotor for lubrication. The only accurate way to test a lift pump is to monitor pressure UNDER LOAD and if it is above 5 PSI, no performance is lost and the pump is OK. If pressure is less than this, a modest reduction in horsepower results. The usual scenerio is a customer puts a performance box on his truck and the lift pump can't produce enough fuel to make more horsepower, and the performance product gets the blame.This sympton is most always a "Buck" as opposed to a "Surge" under load. Often people have mistakenly said that increased pressure from add-on performance devices causes the injection pump failures. This statement only indicates their lack of knowledge, because, unlike most pumps, the VP44 pump does not create more fuel delivery by increasing lift pump pressure. The VP44 creates more fuel delivery by holding the fuel bypass solenoid closed longer. Fuel delivery pressure is controlled by the “pop off pressure “ of the injector. The reason any aftermarket device that hooks up to the solenoid wire is blamed for the failure is that the failure 99 times out of 100 (honest numbers here) the pump fails within 20 minutes of installing and running with power enhancement. The reason this happens is because the fuel solenoid is held closed longer, therefore using more length of the slot in the rotor. The slot in the rotor overlaps a hole in the distributor to allow for different timing and amounts of fuel to be delivered to the injector and when the solenoid holds the bypass solenoid closed longer, then the high “pop off” pressure is still there when the middle of the slot overlaps the hole. The middle of the slot is the weakest area and therefore deflects, interferes with the distributor and seizes. Pump failure with fuel enhancement devices is not CAUSED by the enhancement device, but PRECIPITATED by the device. WE think this is a “glass half full” scenario rather than a “glass half empty” one, because the potential, eventual failure can be determined within controllable parameters, namely on the test run at higher power, close to home or the local dealer. The other side of the coin is, honestly, if your truck is still running 20 minutes after the installation AND BEAT RUN, you have a 90% chance your pump will not fail for a mechanical reason and therefore last until electrical issues start to show. Lastly the installation of bigger injectors; do they alleviate the high pressure or raise the pop off pressure and therefore cause many failures of the VP44? Absolutely NOT. They are a bigger hole so fuel volume is increased at the same pressure. Remember fuel pressure is controlled by “Pop off” pressure more than the size of the hole! Aftermarket injectors that DO raise the pop off pressure do not appear to cause any problems. Bigger injectors do get more fuel into the combustion chamber sooner, therefore giving the engine better throttle response.Bigger injectors are worth it but not for the reason of saving the pump. |
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Let me add this to this guide so folks can tie all the problems together and understand more of why these problems happen.
Fueling System Trouble Shooting Guide This guide will start with the fuel tank and make its way step by step through the system. I am sure there will be other things to add to this but these are the problems I have come across. 1. Fuel Tank: A. Rollover Protection Valve sticking shut. This will prevent your system from being able to pull air in to replace the fuel you are using, thus creating a vacuum. This vacuum will slowly pull your fuel pressure down as you drive. When removing the fuel cap you will hear the air pressure release. To test this try driving with the cap loose and see if that corrects your problem. B. Fuel Pickup Tube corrodes on the outside or cracks inside the tank. The fuel pickup tube on the early models of 2nd generation trucks have a tendency to corrode and leak air into the system right on top of the module where the fuel line connects to it. If it cracks on the inside your truck will run fine until your fuel level gets below the crack. Then it will pull air mixed with the fuel. This is the same thing as putting a hole in your drink and trying to suck through it, you will get some drink but it is mixed with air. This will create low fuel pressure and a loss of power. C. Fuel Pickup Screen clogs with debris inside the tank. On the bottom of the pick up tube is a fine mesh screen that sometimes will clog itself up if you have gotten bad fuel. This will sometimes fall lose when you shut the truck off and then re-occur as your driving. No real way to diagnose this except to get inside your tank and check it. 2. Lift Pump: A. There is only one thing to say about the stock OEM lift Pumps, regardless of which type you have. They are not sufficient to provide enough dependable fuel flow to the VP44 to keep it cooled off. If you are running any type of performance mods this just increases the weakness of the stock system. A fuel pressure gauge that is visible to you as you drive is the only assurance you can have to know if your lift pump is functioning properly. You can have 20psi at idle, but when you get on the go pedal that could drop to 0psi and then the very expensive VP44 is on its way to the graveyard. If you only do one Mod to your truck, make it a fuel pressure gauge. 3. Fuel Filter: A. The Water Drain Valve sometimes leaks fuel. If your lucky you can jiggle it around and break lose whatever is blocking it from closing completely, if not it will need to be replaced. B. Seals go bad. Many of us have a tendency to change the filter but not use the new seals that come with the filter. It is important to change these to maintain to maintain an air tight seal. 4. Injector Pump: A. Also known as the VP44, the injector pump is fuel cooled. The lift pump is expected to not only pump enough fuel to feed your injectors but enough excess to provide cooling action to this pump. The main failures to this pump are to the electronics that overheat and lose there ability to control the fuel flow. There are many different symptoms associated with this. Among them are a noticeable loss of power, loss of fuel mileage, hard starting when warm and/or a code of 0216 on the code reader. B. Fuel Pressure Regulator is nothing more than a banjo bolt on the outgoing side of the fuel flow that maintains 14psi of fuel inside the VP44. If this goes bad it could either stick in the open or closed position or just get weak and not hold enough fuel pressure to the pump. If it sticks open or gets to weak to maintain pressure it will let the fuel just bypass the pump and return thru to the tank, not feeding the injectors. This will result in low to no power situation. Many $1000 pumps have been replaced because this $12 banjo bolt went bad. Test it before you replace the pump!!! 5. Banjo Bolts: A. You have several Banjo Bolts throughout the fueling system. These are the most restricting part of the fuel system. They are just a brass bolt with a hole drilled through the length of it and another that meets it drilled high on the threads to meet together. They allow fuel to pass through this hole when transitioning between fuel lines and the components on your truck. There are two on the fuel filter, two on the VP44 and two on the lift pump. Some people have drilled the hole out bigger on these bolts to allow more fuel and some have replaced them with High Pressure fittings and gotten rid of them all together. The only one you cant do anything with is the Fuel Pressure Regulator bolt, which is the outgoing line on the VP44. resulting in codes being thrown and eventually putting your VP44 into self protection/limp mode. Last edited by DB Admin; 11-19-2009 at 06:17 AM.. |
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*Defective VP44 Engine Codes
Tampering with the The retrieval of codes does not constitute an engine diagnosis. However, there are some codes that usually indicate a defective injection pump. A current P1688 always means that the pump is bad, there is no further diagnosis required. Code P0216 is probably the most common code for VP-44 Pumps. If transfer pump pressure has been checked and is O.K., the injection pump is defective. Other codes that are less common are P0180, P0181, P0215, P0251, P0252, P0253, P0254, P0370, P1287, P1689 and P1690. These codes USUALLY, but not always indicate a defective pump. There are wiring and power checks to be performed if these codes are present. These codes relate to Dodge pickups only, and are not for any other ISB application. |
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Check out these threads for more info on these issues and the Timbo APPS. Seems as though a noise filter also fixes some of this.
APPS and lock up issues APPS and lock up issues need a new apps i believe. TIMBO APPS |
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