I have a 2005 dodge ram 2500 4x4 and are looking for 3 different things for it..just needing help to decide....

1)edge prgrammer, bully dog, quad???
2)i want SMOKEEEEE!
3)Turbo timer? I know some programmers come with...

PLEASE HELP WITH MY DECISIONS CAUSE I AM HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME DECIDING.... -

Manual or auto? Anything else done to it? And -

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Turbo timers are nice, but since you are putting in gauges (you are putting in gauges right?) they are not really mandatory. You would be surprised, it doesn't take that long for the truck to cool back down to 300*. Coast into the driveway, throw it in park, get the mail, throw out the junk, and the truck is ready to be shut off.

As far as smoke, in today's day of 5 bucks a gallon for diesel and EPA crackdowns, optimal fuel burn should be the key. Smoke is just unburnt fuel, all the big black clouds of death are $4.59 a pop. Smoke doesn't always mean hp. You need to be able to push enough air to burn the fuel you are adding to the mixture. Not sure what other mods you have, so I am writing this as if you have none. First - gauges, Second - exhaust, Third - air intake, then I would look at programmers.

Just my .02. Oh yea Welcome!!!! -

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1997 Dodge 2500 4X4 reg cab S&B intake HTT 62/13 SS #0 plate, DDP stage II 75hp injectors 3K GSK MBRP 4" exhaust Auto meter gauges; pyro, boost, tranny KDP screwed ATS Manifold BOMB shelter auto tranny Mag-hytec double deep tranny pan

Well, first things first - welcome. Next, you don't want smoke unless someone else is paying for your fuel because all that is is unburnt fuel leaving your wallet. A little is cool sometimes but most of the time, not so much.

You will in my opinion be better suited to the EDGE product if you are looking for shift on the fly. Out right power you may want to consider a smarty and the TNT programming but you will need to spend some money to get that to work right. Lastly, turbo timers on Cummins motors are pretty much a waste of money.

So, Cummins upgrading should go in this order:
1. gauges
2. lift pump (FASS, Air Dog, Vulcan, BD, Carter, RACOR and others)
3. fueling mods like a box or programmer
4. cold air intake
5. exhaust
6. injectors
7. turbo (twins is best)
8. stacking boxes and or other enhancements
9. intercooler and or water / methane injection
10. more money... -

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Mods-Straight piped and cold air intake thats it..now i want more power and a little more torque. i really want something i can change fairly easy too when hauling camper and farm equip and then change it back when just cruising the town (not really just wasting fuel too expensive anymore).... -

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why need gauges if you buy a programmer like the edge or bully dog?? or are you just suggesting if i dont get one with the on the fly action? -

Gauges, any kind (although most of us perfer the analogue type) assist you in telling you what is going on.

Under no circumstances would someone like Luke (or any other sponsor) sell you something without letting you know that you really need to have gauges first. On your next PM to him ask him about my list and he will likely agree.

Cheers. -

Do you have an automatic?

I would go with a Quadzilla box and the commander. If you have a stock automatic 100hp will hurt your trans if beat'n properly . If you go with a programmer spend the extra money and get a Smarty. It will less'n your chances of getting popped by the dealership. Unless your planning on going to huge power a turbo would come before the injectors. Your stock injectors can push enough fuel to turn the block into a door stop.

We sell alot of the Quadzilla modules and Commander packages. They work very nice, and wont break the bank. It is adjustable on the fly, and it will defuel when temps get to high. -

Patrick, I'm not going to say you are wrong but a even a mild stage 2 set of sticks is better than getting a turbo right off the get go. That said, we can all agree he needs gauges first! -

If your lookin for good safe power with gauges. Can't go wrong with an EDGE Juice with Attitude. Then when you get the tranny, what ever kind you have beef'd up you can get the Hot unlock for it as well. But you can run it for now on the lower setting and get a good kick in the pants and alil smoke to boot. Just take it one step at a time and resist the urge to put the box on kill with your stock tranny! Or you'll be spending large amounts of money real quick.... Good luck with your adventure -

Here's what I did. In order.

Edge EZ
AFE Stage 2 Mega cannon
5" exhaust turbo back
FASS fuel pump
Edge Juice Attitude
Pac Brake exhaust brake
Southbend CON Fe clutch
HTB2 Turbo
ATS exhaust manifold
ATS intake horn
At this point I dyno'd 607 HP on a Dynojet Dyno

Haven't dyno'd yet with the below products
HTT 62/71/13ss Turbo
Joe Hellmann intercooler
DiabloSport 7130 Programmer
Probably somthing I'm forgetting


Currently I'm running the Hot Juice with a turbo timer built in. Works great and takes care of a few gauge functions. However, I also have analog Di Pricol gauges to watch rail pressure, fuel pressure and boost above 40 PSI. The attitude will show boost but it is using the stock MAP sensor which is only good to about 40 PSI. My wastegate is set at 48 PSI.

I am running stock injectors, CP3 and head studs. I pull 10k in the mountains and can keep it all cool. Lately I've been towing on level 6 which is the hot level in the Juice and have had great luck. 7% grades this last weekend showed no more than 1240 degrees with water temp no more than 213 degrees. And yeah, she'll smoke some. I put it on level 6, push the cruise button and let her eat. -

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2004.5 2500 White SLT QCSB 4X4 6SPD 3.73 Edge Hot J/A w/ EZ, Smarty Jr. POD, 5" exhaust w/6" tip, AFE Megacannon Stg 2, HTT 62/71/13ss, ATS In/Ex manifolds, Di Pricol rail pressure, Diesel Dynamics Big Line Kit, FASS HPFP, Di Pricol boost and FP gauges w/ Geno's filter lid, CON Fe, Joe Hellman IC, condenser guard, Fumoto valve, PAC Brake, TDK front bumper

Edge or Quad-mander will give you power and gauges. The quad will let you download the zillaraider II program for free from their site (saves money, adds power).

I would research all the products that everyone has listed in their sigs and see which ones are going to fit your budget and your order of importance (letting the beast breathe is #1), then go from there.

Good Luck!!! -

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'06 Mega Cab, K&N 63, CFM+, WinSpeed Grid-delete, FASS 150, Stacking a Smarty, Quad-Zilla w/ Commander, Dead Kitty, and Power Pinnacle exhaust, KORE lever kit, Rollin on MotoMetal 951 w/ Toyo Open Country A/T.
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The big question is...How far or how high do you want to go. -