got a injector size question
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got a injector size question
so im going to be replacing the injectors in my 1997 cummins and the sales guy said go with a 500 hp bosch injectors. im not sure what this is meaning since iam new to deisels.the truck is all stock and going with bigger injectors would i have to do anymore mods to support the bigger size?
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Cummins/Bosch does not rate their injectors as over stock, they are rated per that specific engine HP build. So a 370 Marine is just that, a 370HP injector for the marine application 5.9 Cummins with Marine style pistons that require a 155* spray angle. Hence why referring to injectors in the aftermarket world is pointless and inaccurate.
If you want to get down to the nitty gritty of injectors the only 100% accurate way to name them is "Hole Count x orifice size" or percentage of flow over stock. Horsepower ratings give false hope to many as well as confuse people. But since so many go by Horsepower rating, it is total HP acheived not amount of horsepower gained over stock application. If that was the case, then a 5x0.014"(435HP) injector in a 160 engine would net 595HP, in a 215 650HP, 180 would be 615, and so on and so forth. Considering all P7100, VE, VP44, CP3, A3000, P3000, and any variation of those fuel differently because their original application vary so greatly it is redundant to label an injector as HP over stock rating. This is where the original HP rating for injectors is dependant upon original application and fueling needs for that application of that specific engine.
If you want to get down to the nitty gritty of injectors the only 100% accurate way to name them is "Hole Count x orifice size" or percentage of flow over stock. Horsepower ratings give false hope to many as well as confuse people. But since so many go by Horsepower rating, it is total HP acheived not amount of horsepower gained over stock application. If that was the case, then a 5x0.014"(435HP) injector in a 160 engine would net 595HP, in a 215 650HP, 180 would be 615, and so on and so forth. Considering all P7100, VE, VP44, CP3, A3000, P3000, and any variation of those fuel differently because their original application vary so greatly it is redundant to label an injector as HP over stock rating. This is where the original HP rating for injectors is dependant upon original application and fueling needs for that application of that specific engine.
Last edited by 1SlowCTD; 04-14-2011 at 07:04 PM.
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Injector Chart
stock 2nd gen inj - vary depending on model but all are 145° injectors
49 state 160 hp - 5x9 .000318
49 state 175 hp 5x9 .000318
180 hp 5x9.5 .000354
160 hp cpl 1863, (actually a 180) 5x9.5 .000354
all calif trucks '96-98 were 180 hp = 5x9.5 .000354
215 hp - 5x10.25 .01025 .000412
300's and 330's same size - 4x12 = .000452
370's - 5x12 = .000565 155° spray pattern
435's - 5x014 = .000769 avail in both 155 and 145° spray pattern
ddp stg III (90 hp) = 50 LPM (liter per minute) 155° 5 hole extrude hone inj <5x12 270 bar
ddp stg IV (140 hp) = 66 lpm - 5 holes smaller than .0135 270 bar
ddp stg 4plus - no longer avail now considered comp waiver must be signed to obtain
ddp comp = 73-90 lpm depending on application same for pop
all four start out as 155° marine nozzles and are extrude honed
the flow numbers (lpm) i posted is what was printed on boxes that i received from ddp
there are posts on other forums that vary slightly with these numbers
measured the holes myself (.0135 gage would not go in a stg 4 ect)
have not used 50 or 75 hp ddp inj - have no idea what size the holes are
custom injectors -
5x.012 = .000565
5x13 = .000663
5x14 = .000769
7x10 = .000549 (24v conv inj are usually 7 hole)
7x12 = .000794
6x13 = .000795
5x15 = .000882
6x14 = .000923
5x16 = .001005
6x15 = .001059
7x14 = .001077
5x17 = .001134
6x16 = .001206
5x18 = .001272
6x17 = .001360
5x19 = .001416
6x18 = .001526
5x20 = .001570
ind inj super dragon flows (10 hole) - 5x10.25 + 5x18 .001684
6x20 = .001884
5x22 = .001900
5x24 = .002261
6x22 = .002280
5x25 = .002459 (this is what some refer to as a true competition injector)
*i figured out the csa (cross sectional area) for ea injector. those numbers are in bold
if you want to figure 24v stuff or something that is not on the chart use r² x pi x # of holes
take the hole size divided by 2 times pi (3.14259) times the number of holes
Here is some good info. Cant remember where I got it though
stock 2nd gen inj - vary depending on model but all are 145° injectors
49 state 160 hp - 5x9 .000318
49 state 175 hp 5x9 .000318
180 hp 5x9.5 .000354
160 hp cpl 1863, (actually a 180) 5x9.5 .000354
all calif trucks '96-98 were 180 hp = 5x9.5 .000354
215 hp - 5x10.25 .01025 .000412
300's and 330's same size - 4x12 = .000452
370's - 5x12 = .000565 155° spray pattern
435's - 5x014 = .000769 avail in both 155 and 145° spray pattern
ddp stg III (90 hp) = 50 LPM (liter per minute) 155° 5 hole extrude hone inj <5x12 270 bar
ddp stg IV (140 hp) = 66 lpm - 5 holes smaller than .0135 270 bar
ddp stg 4plus - no longer avail now considered comp waiver must be signed to obtain
ddp comp = 73-90 lpm depending on application same for pop
all four start out as 155° marine nozzles and are extrude honed
the flow numbers (lpm) i posted is what was printed on boxes that i received from ddp
there are posts on other forums that vary slightly with these numbers
measured the holes myself (.0135 gage would not go in a stg 4 ect)
have not used 50 or 75 hp ddp inj - have no idea what size the holes are
custom injectors -
5x.012 = .000565
5x13 = .000663
5x14 = .000769
7x10 = .000549 (24v conv inj are usually 7 hole)
7x12 = .000794
6x13 = .000795
5x15 = .000882
6x14 = .000923
5x16 = .001005
6x15 = .001059
7x14 = .001077
5x17 = .001134
6x16 = .001206
5x18 = .001272
6x17 = .001360
5x19 = .001416
6x18 = .001526
5x20 = .001570
ind inj super dragon flows (10 hole) - 5x10.25 + 5x18 .001684
6x20 = .001884
5x22 = .001900
5x24 = .002261
6x22 = .002280
5x25 = .002459 (this is what some refer to as a true competition injector)
*i figured out the csa (cross sectional area) for ea injector. those numbers are in bold
if you want to figure 24v stuff or something that is not on the chart use r² x pi x # of holes
take the hole size divided by 2 times pi (3.14259) times the number of holes
Here is some good info. Cant remember where I got it though
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Just to clear things up, because i think my reply was taken wrong. I meant no disrespect to you guys at LBDP and I know you guys know way more than I about injectors. I was trying to clear up to others that dont know that 140hp injectors for example dont add 140hp. Again sorry for any confusion. Also I assisted in the install of a set of your 5x.012's in a first gen and run excellent and smoothed things out a bunch.
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