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12 Valve 2nd Gen Dodge Cummins 94-98 Discussion of 12 Valve 5.9 Liter Dodge Cummins Diesels with P7100 Injection Pumps

i cant figure it out, the tranny overheats when idling and at a stop light if it sits for like ten minutes the temp skyrockets, but when im moving shes runs around 100 degrees i thought the gauge was bad but its working fine some ... JOIN NOW TO REMOVE TRACER

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Old 09-20-2009, 04:42 PM
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i cant figure it out, the tranny overheats when idling and at a stop light if it sits for like ten minutes the temp skyrockets, but when im moving shes runs around 100 degrees i thought the gauge was bad but its working fine some is wrong in the tranny none of the tranny shops will give me any suggestions and the one i had the work done at they wont return my phone calls i need some help i use it to haul coal for heat in the winter time

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Old 09-20-2009, 04:53 PM
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from my understanding... if its an auto.. they all do that... the trannys tryin to make the truck go foward and when you have your foot on the brake its not good for it.... think of it like on fan blowing air to another fan... the second fan is gonna spin to.. thats a really simplified version of an auto... n if ur holdin the brake in drive the first fan keeps tryin to turn the second fan... to help with this problem... if youre gonna sit for more then a minute... put it into neutral or park.... thats wut my "master" auto mechanic teacher told me... so dont shoot the messenger if im wrong hahah

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Old 09-20-2009, 04:58 PM
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i think thats a good explanation torque converters for dumies style

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Old 09-20-2009, 05:40 PM
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yeh i thought so myself

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Old 09-20-2009, 06:17 PM
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thanks for the info, and its a auto , but it does it in park and neutral the only way it dont do it is to shut the truck off and let it cool down, or when im moving once the temp reaches 180 degrees it dont move it just sits and revs but i have never let it over 200 degrees and the sensor is in the tranny pan its always had the bd converter in it but i installed the bd valve body after i was having problems and the tranny shop i had it to told me it would help and told me to take both tranny coolers out and put one big one in and a fan on it. but guess what it didnt help, and like i said they wont return my phone calls
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Old 09-20-2009, 07:43 PM
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your pump may be shot
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Old 09-20-2009, 08:35 PM
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i had figured it was that, but some of the ones i have seen go bad make whining noises ,but no noises. or my converter went bad, cause when i hit full boost it slips but other then that it shifts like a champ good and strong no laging overdrive works like its suppose to i got a lock up switch but i hardy use it
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Old 09-20-2009, 08:58 PM
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could also be a plug in the system but i dont know alot about what these trannies do when they go bad i know they go bang when they go bad in the worst ways though
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Old 09-20-2009, 09:05 PM
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yea i know a buddy of mine had a 96 1500 gasser go out on him with a bang and the fluid turned black as night. its hard to find good help theses days,im a mechanic i can work on gassers all day long,but diesels and transmission i have only basic knowledge.
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Old 09-21-2009, 02:37 AM
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Chances are pretty good its either a a pump or b you need to clean the tranny cooler out they get dirty and clog up like an air filter. Try pressure washing the cooler first its the small radiator right in the front of the intercoller if that doesn't work have the entire trans hot flushed its a bit pricy but worth it change the trans filter and see what it does if it still overheats then I'm almost 99% possitive its the trans pump they don't go bad that often but they do. Now if its overheating in park or any other gear I'm inclined to say it is the pump but try the afore mentioned first and see what happens

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Old 09-21-2009, 09:17 AM
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well youre probally right about the pump cause i done did the tranny fluid and filter and its got a new tranny cooler on it and flushed the lines, the pump probally couldnt handle i guess the converter or the valvebody, ill just have to bear it and get another tranny
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Old 09-21-2009, 09:43 AM
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while talking with my trans guy when the parents truck went down for the rebuild he said that the pump bodies can warp and cause a leak/bypassing of the fluid... so what he does with every rebuild he rotates pumps... he has one or two that he has sent out and had them "trued up" at the local machine shop, keeps the old one and puts one of the ones he already had in it's place... said he's been doing this for years and since he started doing this hasnt had problem one with the pumps... btw we have a pump layin in our basement... the dodge garage stuck the wrong one in it, only had two detents; we required 3 and 4th gear was no longer there... no idea if this is the right one for you or not; if it is... let me know... i could save you alot of money and we could make some back

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Old 09-21-2009, 06:13 PM
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thanks tower ill keep that in mind and you dont live to far from me . i took and rode up to the tranny place where i had my work done and they are closed out of bussiness no wonder no one would answer my phone calls
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